Dean and Women | A Short Analysis

[galathea]

So, I am usually staying far, far away from fandom wank, but reading through several discussions yesterday concerning seemingly sexist behaviour of one Dean Winchester on account of his behaviour towards Ruby in the finale agitated me. And what do I do when I am agitated? I write! It’s always helpful to get your own thoughts in order and lay something to rest. So, I thought I’d share my 2 cents on the topic!



Dean Winchester has a lot of character traits that I would probably consider annoying, if I were to meet him in real life: He is brash and cocky, he can be crude and insensitive and his humour is questionable at times, his table manners are off-putting and he can be short tempered and violent. Not once though, I thought of Dean as sexist and misogynistic, so the fierceness of the fandom discussion caught me by surprise to be honest.

Let’s get one thing out of the way first: I come from a social background where neither swearing nor insulting or other crude language is common or tolerated. I was raised to have a civil tone and amongst my friends and family and even my wider circle of acquaintances that’s a common ground. We don’t have the habit to call each other with insulting petnames and swearing beyond the occasional 'damn' or 'shit' is usually considered bad taste. I’d say I am sensitive to crude language and in fact I am bothered by excessive swearing in fanfiction and am glad that the censors for TV shows limit the use of swear words, so the boys use a mostly civil tone. Still, I have never been bothered by Dean’s use of insults like 'skank', 'whore', 'slut' or the most common 'bitch'. Why is that?

First off, I am under the impression that the terms 'misogynist' and 'sexist' are often used very loosely in this discussion, and that they are either treated as interchangeable or used in an improper context: Misogyny is the hatred and contempt of women and is a sub-class of sexism itself. Sexism is the belief that one gender is inferior (or superior) to the other; it’s commonly used as a word to describe any kind of sexual discrimination. A sexist and misogynistic person would on a general basis detest women and view them as inferior. How anybody is able to see that in Dean Winchester is a mystery to me. Let’s look at his behaviour towards women in general:

Family
We all know that Dean grew up with next to no female influence, due to Mary’s death and the social isolation he experienced during his formative years. We know that he loves, even worships his mother, putting her on a pedestal. I guess it is fair to say that Mary embodies the ultimate femininity to Dean. He perceives her as strong, kind, loving and nurturing as can be seen in What Is and What Should Never Be. If we look at the women Dean dreams of having a meaningful relationship with (Carmen, Lisa) they all have the same qualities: strong and independent, but caring and nurturing. I’d say if we can accuse Dean of anything then it may be that he has a mostly traditional view on the women he considers as relationship material, but on the other hand he never had problems with dominant women either as Cassie amply proves.

I would also assume that John, who never looked to another woman after Mary and was a man who strongly held up values like discipline, would have never allowed for Dean and Sam to be disrespectful against women or even exhibit an all too colourful language as kids. The way Dean politely helps Missouri down the steps in Home for example, shows that they were raised with at least polite manners. So, I argue that precisely because Dean was raised without female influence and Mary was held as iconic in the Winchester household, he would more likely tend to idolise women, especially if he gets emotionally involved with them.

Friends/Other Hunters
We’ve seen Dean interact with strong, maternal, take-no-shit females like Missouri and Ellen and never seen him treat them with other than utmost respect, even bowing to their authoritative if not patronizing stance towards him. Sure, he initially shows the general distrust that he applies to any stranger becoming closer involved with his family, but that’s independent from gender. Towards Jo he develops a kind of brother/mentor relationship, based on the fact that Jo is clearly naïve and inexperienced. That doesn’t mean that he sees her as inferior, but simply as an novice. He’d take the same protective stance towards a male character.

When it comes to female hunters, we can let Dean speak for himself: "Women can do the job just fine. Amateurs can’t!" This clearly shows that Dean regards females as just as capable and strong as males. For example, he unhesitatingly supports Tamara’s wish to go after the demons in The Magnificent Seven and doesn’t show any signs of being uncomfortable with a woman being at the forefront of a fight. He obviously considers female hunters as equals.

Damsels In Distress
Towards the wide variety of females he meets as a hunter, he clearly has a protective stance, not because he thinks that they are weak and helpless, but because they too are inexperienced and are thrown into a situation that they are unfamiliar with. Still, if these women prove themselves as level-headed and capable he trusts them to take care of themselves. Good examples here are Haley from Wendigo or Kat from Asylum. He can become annoyed or impatient with civilians but again that’s independent from gender.

Although Dean is a womanizer he very rarely flirts with women he meets on the job, they are usually off limits, most often they went through traumatizing experiences and I think he’d consider it inappropriate to hit on them. In some instances he even drops any flirtatious behaviour as soon as he perceives the woman as in a vulnerable state of mind, for example he stops flirting with Andrea in Dead In The Water when he hears about her husband’s death, drops his flirting efforts with Layla in Faith when he learns about her illness or even forgets all about 'gumby girl' when he learns about Lisa being a single-mother and connects with her on a different basis in The Kids Are Alright.

Random Hook-Ups
Dean is promiscuous! He oogles pretty women on every occasion and has no problems picking-up random girls at a bar for one-night stands. He objectifies these women, but then, so do the women who hook up with Dean. Just as Dean hits on pretty girls, pretty girls hit on him, it’s a mutual approach and there is nothing sexist about two adults having casual, consensual sex. The women Dean picks up don’t look for a meaningful relationship either, he doesn’t force himself on them and they know what they are getting into. No harm, no foul.

I can’t recall an instant in the show where Dean (or anybody else for that matter) stated that it is okay for Dean to be promiscuous, but not for women. On the contrary, in the bar scene in Tall Tales Sam perceives 'Starla' as slutty and crude, while Dean himself sees her as a classy chick. While a lot of this is of course about self-perception, it also shows us that Dean never thinks derogatory about the random girls he has a one-night stands with.

So, overall Dean’s behaviour towards women in general clearly defies any interpretation of the words sexist and misogynist. He loves women as companions, respects them as hunters and idolises them in their traditional functions within family. A misogynist would show a consistent derogatory behaviour against all females; Dean on the other hand treats almost all women he encounters with the same respect he treats anybody else, based on their individual situation and character. In fact it’s only one isolated case in which we ever experienced Dean going totally off the charts with his insults and that’s Ruby. Oh, he despises Bela too, because she is the anti-thesis to everything he stands for, but even with her he never goes farther than his usual 'bitch'. What makes Ruby so different?

Ruby
First and foremost, Ruby isn’t a woman. Ruby is not even a person, where Dean is concerned. He made it perfectly clear in Croatoan that demons and other supernatural beings don’t constitute as persons for him but as 'its', as impersonal, inhuman entities. He was not only raised to hate supernatural beings in general, demons in particular killed his mother, took his father and were responsible for Sam’s death; each person he ever loved was taken from him by demons. His utter hate for these creatures is understandable and justified. Still, when he meets a demon who respects him and even praises his courage, he doesn’t quite know how to react and settles for a civil tone. He doesn’t respect Casey in Sin City but he stops being hostile towards her nonetheless.

He never reaches that level of civility with Ruby, although she seems to offer herself as an ally, but Ruby isn’t like any other demon either. Ruby wants Sam! And we all know that when it comes to Dean there’s nothing that’s more likely to raise his hackles than that and with good reason as we see in the finale. She wants Sam as a tool, a weapon for her personal agenda and it’s doubtful that Ruby cares about Sam losing his humanity in the process. So, Ruby is a demon and she meddles with what Dean values most, his brother, it can’t hit closer to home for Dean than that.

So, yes, he insults her as strongly as he can go, because she is a demon and a manipulative liar and that’s the only way he knows how to get under her skin. He uses derogatory words that are attributed to females because that’s the appearance Ruby chose, unfortunately there are no insults that apply to genderless entities as far as I am aware. *g* Besides, Ruby gives as good as she gets and behaves equally depreciatory and hostile towards Dean. I have no doubt that she wouldn’t bother with Dean if she wasn’t sure that if she wants to get to Sam, there’s no way around Dean. Also, she was the one who called witches - and by extension herself - whores, in order to compare the process of selling one’s soul to a demon to selling one’s body. So it’s not as if Ruby has a politically correct vocabulary either.

When it comes to Dean hitting Ruby: Again, she is a demon. I guess it’s fair to say that he knows that he is inferior to her when it comes to strength as well as speed. His attacks, verbally as well as physically, are obviously all about goading her into a fight in order to sweep the knife from her as well as trap her under the devil’s trap and have nothing to do with her female form. We have only once seen Dean deliberately hit a female demon/monster without being attacked first, that was Meg in Devil’s Trap and even then he never touched her again after Bobby made it clear to him that there is still an innocent girl trapped in that body with the demon.

So, no I never had a problem with Dean being derogatory towards Ruby or hitting her on account of her being a manipulative demon. I would however be bothered if he ever used that vocabulary or behaviour towards any other human being, who isn’t an amoral, cold-blooded killer. He doesn’t though and that clearly shows that any assumption about Dean’s attitude towards women based on the isolated case of Ruby is seriously skewed and unjustified, taking his actions and words completely out of context.

In conclusion: I think that the ongoing debate is in fact not really about the question if Dean is sexist, but about the question if the terms 'slut', 'whore' or 'skank' can be taken out of their historical, sexually laden context and used as general insults, in a similar manner as for example the terms 'bastard' or 'idiot', which were major offences once and nowadays wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow. I am not the one to decide that and of course everybody is entitled to their opinions on that matter, I am just very sad that one of my favourite characters on TV is slandered in the process of this discussion, without any justified reasons in my opinion.

Sometimes fandom is a very unhappy place for me!

Comments

[llywela13.livejournal.com]

I love you. *squishes*

Do you know, when I got up this morning and read another post on my flist that I disagreed with, rather than reply and be jumped on I opened Word instead and started to write. I didn't get as far as you in constructing an actual essay, but I was thinking along similar lines!

What I wrote (not to post, but just to get it out of my system) was this:

'I think the problem with this debate has been one of coming at the issue from completely different and mutually exclusive directions. The feminist side are seeing only the gender issue, and nothing else.

But the thing is, the show isn't written as a gender study, and this isn't about what people, in general, do or don't deserve. That's an academic abstract. The show is written as a story about characters. And the fact is that Dean is not a sophisticated guy, at all. He expresses himself crudely at the best of times, and that is a direct result of the way he was raised. Now, where Ruby is concerned, the only thing that matters to him is the fact that she is a demon. It's all he can see. She is a demon and she cannot be trusted, she has designs on his brother, her motives remain very much unknown, and she scares him. He expresses that fear and suspicion with invective because he just isn't articulate enough to express his gut reaction to her any other way. No, it isn't politically correct, but it is a very real characteristic. That's just life. And anyone who can't accept that maybe shouldn't be watching.'

And then I felt better, saved it without editing or re-drafting, and got on with my morning. *G*

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

LOL thanks! *hugs*

Yeah it went round and round in my head since yesterday and this was just the best way to get it out of my system. I made a deliberate decision to only look at onscreen behaviour of Dean towards women and put aside any comparisons to other topics that were brought up consistently like racial issues and such (even though I don't agree with those either) and even avoided any feminist debate and only concetrated on the terms 'misogynist' and 'sexist'. I certainly feel better after having it out. LOL

Sounds like a good start, if you ever write an essay it will probably much more insightful and intellectual than my rant here, it was just a fast reaction of mine LOL. ;)

[llywela13.livejournal.com]

Heh. I'm not planning to write any essays. It's just been frustrating me and I'm biting my tongue because I don't want to get drawn in. Yes, the language has been a lot stronger this season, and I'm not sure what the reason for that is - the show has been a lot gorier this year, as well. But strong language does not automatically translate as sexist, or anything like that. It just means...strong language!

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Aww too bad LOL you know I love it when you have thinky thoughts on a topic! *g* But yeah, I can understand that it's too frustrating to get into it, that's why I rather posted here than in an actual debate. LOL

[llywela13.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the debates are way frustrating. And I wouldn't want to put time into writing an essay on a subject that frustrated me, especially since if I then posted it on my journal all the ultras I seem to have on my flist would then start flaming, and the last thing I want is a war like that on my journal! People are too annoying. I shall content myself with quiet seething behind their backs, and maybe just skipping their posts or filtering my flist.

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Uhm yeah, I only posted this because I know my flist is wank free as well and doesn't enjoy debates like that, so it was safe. If I had feared that tons of people would stream in to start a war with me, I would never have made this public LOL. I don't have the energy for that.

[ehlwyen.livejournal.com]

*hugs* for my girls!

So sorry about all this dragging each of you down after such an amazing end to the season. *grouphug*

I'm so thankful I'm only getting all this filtered through you, rather than seeing it first hand. And all this happens just when I thought I might be safe to wander out there. *scurries back to her cozy corner*

[joans23.livejournal.com]

I've seen alot about this all over my f/list, but luckily I'm not that involved in the SPN fandom, so I haven't really been touched by it (the bashing each other about bashing Dean part, I mean). But I agree completely with what you're saying and hope it will help some people see the light!

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Thanks! Luckily my flist is mostly free of wank and since I avoid fandom at large for quite some time now, I wouldn't even have know about this debate if a friend hadn't directed me to it and I was simply stunned by the comments I read, so I had to vent. :) Thanks for reading, hon!

[ehlwyen.livejournal.com]

Glad you got your thoughts organized! *hearts*

I just wanted to pop in and say nice job of exposing the facts of the matter and isolating the real source of ire.

Personally I'm disappointed in Dean's overuse of such words this season. And perhaps his lack of wittiness comes from the writer's strike. But mysogynistic or sexist for simply saying those words is an improper conclusion. They are too rooted in today's pop culture and, sadly, their proliferation in this season perpetuates their use in common language.

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Thanks! It certainly made me feel better, so mission accomplished I guess. :)

I am not overly familiar with the commonness of english swear words/insults other than my impression that 'fuck' and 'bitch' are practically widely accepted as 'normal' nowadays. The other words Dean uses towards Ruby specifically are certainly a lot stronger but I guess that's intended for that very reason.

[ehlwyen.livejournal.com]

I don't know what you mean by "normal". Are they commonly used insults? Yes. Can they be used to joke around with? Yes. Are they accepted in polite company, no. (And I'm including calling someone an idiot or stupid as those are extremely hurtful). Or if you were to say these insults to your loved one accidentallly in anger, you are in the deepest of trouble (for days). Not to mention feel regret for saying them.

Also, I can't even curse jokingly in my parents house without repercussions. Though it's looser than when I was in high school and I literally got in bigtime trouble for saying the word "crap".

My disappointment is that the language is very "Jerry Springer." Which is the most sludgiest and embarrassing example of humanity, if you've never heard of it. They are good enough insults to pepper in, but not specific enough to really hurt the intended person. If all you have are those generic words over and over, then you just look like an uneducated nitwit (and it gets boring fast).

Not everyone is lucky enough to have had their high school English teacher to have pointed this out (and told us to color up our insults if we were going to do them). So seeing such repetitive language on tv by a cool character like Dean could reinforce the belief that those are good insults. When in fact the name caller just looks lame.

My dislike is not only creativity, but really regarding the effectfulness of such insults by Dean. As astartexx brings up below, they can be empowering rather than hurtful. By wrapping yourself in the armor of, "yeah, what's it to you if I am?" and "not like I haven't heard that one before", one has the opportunity to laugh at the person sputtering out the weak, unspecific insults.

Ruby has endured hundreds of "real" years of hell, maybe millions of "hell" years. I don't think cheap basic trailer trash insults can cause anger, pain, or insult after what she's been through.

Ruby's screams of how she wanted Dean to experience hell, were far more cutting than the generic ones Dean used on her.

For me, it felt Dean was just so frustrated with his anger for her that he couldn't calm down enough to come up with smart retorts. His replying, "you're the short bus" to her first saying it in MM, killed me dead with his lameness. I hate to say it, but its true. Not to mention, maybe even demonstrated his need to ride the short bus.

Bela also was able to best him as well with retorts. It really cut to me to see Dean so neutered by their insults and unable to fight on their levels.

Anyway, this is a thorn that's been digging at me this season and I'm really glad you brought it up. *hugs*

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's what I meant by 'normal', that they are common and can be joked around with without much problems. 'Bitch' in particular really became a nearly neutral word for me in English, since Dean uses it with such a frequency and in a insulting manner just as much as in an endearing one, just as he can use 'Sweetheart' as an insult as well as a petname.

I also think this debate is where the cultural difference comes in a bit. In German terms like 'slut' or 'skank' or even 'bitch' really have a very strong negative connotation for me, they are by far not as common here as they seem to be in the States, so I can consider them as adequately insulting terms for Dean. I am just really not creative in swearing myself, so I think I have no real base to judge Dean's manners of swearing as degrading for his character (which is in itself a kind of funny statement!).

[ehlwyen.livejournal.com]

LOL! I fully intended to bring the humor. *hugs*

Dean's a witty person most of the time, so seeing him resort to the words that most of us use because we get flustered is odd to me. Whether just writing or indicative of something deeper, I can't say for sure. But it's more constructive to explore a reason why the writers have Dean act in such a way than to just blame the writers for not being on their own game.

Haha, the word "bitch" isn't so bad. It's an easy fun word to mutter or say. For example, describing someone's random complaining as "bitching" or saying that a task or object is tough or "a bitch". However, calling a person a bitch takes it to a much more serious level. So, even if I feel okay to use a form of bitch in first two contexts at work, when the occassion arises, I'll often resort to only calling a mean person a witch.

And just because some people might joke with close friends with such words, that's not the most common trend to do. Or even to do often.

Using swear words to describe objects is the most commonly accepted, cause most people can agree life is tough and sucks at times. Next would be shared common enemies since we all have that gossip streak every once in a while. Most rare would be calling your friends something like that, and only if you're feeling particularly daring.

And with that notion, calling an outfit slutty or a bathroom skanky is common. Calling a person such is grounds for starting a fight.

If Dean really wanted to get under Ruby's skin, he'd have made fun of how weak and lame a demon she is. Because Ruby's been playing them all season. (And you can tell how proud and full of herself she is.) Dean thinks he sees her manipulation, but not as much as he believes, if he thinks he can upset her with those insults. While, insulting her cunning and power, perhaps may have disturbed her pride enough to let it slip on exactly how she was playing them.

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Wow, you sure thought a lot about the modes of swearing and insulting *g* It's something I never gave a second thought since I practically never swear. LOL It's interesting, I think the fact that the word 'bitch' bled into the general language as a verb and adjective is one of the reasons why I nearly don't perceive it as an insult anymore when I hear it in English. It's good to know that there's still a difference between 'bitching' and calling someone a bitch. LOL

Well, Dean gets Ruby pretty worked up, but I indeed think it's less because he insults her than because he just always manages to thwart her plans, no matter what she tries. Although I thought it was funny that in the end she lost her nerves and called Dean a 'spineless dick', which indicates that he got under her skin nonetheless. The enraged tantrum that she throws after Dean trapped her shows that behind her cool facade she's just a bitch. LOL I think the fact that Dean outsmarted her hurt her more than his insults, no matter how elaborated they would have been.

[astartexx.livejournal.com]

What I found interesting is that turn-around from the insults that were casually thrown in Jo, Ruby and Belas direction by female fans, especially focused on their sexuality and gender. I do remember the slutty cloths remarks that Jo in particular received all over the place when most young women indeed wear low cut jeans and tight shirts. So comparing the online discussion of eps and then the outrage Dean’s relative tame word choice sparked. I can’t help but wonder if there are several fractions out there or if fandom in general tends to be a hypocrite, because for me both critiques seem to come from the same place.

Sure, I wouldn’t have minded, if the writers would have come up with more creative ways of Dean insulting Ruby or Bela, but what the hell? Nobody would have raised an eyebrow if they would have been male and gotten a ‘son of a bitch’, bastard or ass.

I strongly agree with your essay and I was very taken a back by fandom on this subject. I don’t have the slightest problem referring to myself as bitch. There are many TV characters that I admire who hold up the ‘Yes, I’m a bitch, live with it or get lost!’-tradition like Cordelia Chase, Lilah Morgan or Veronica Mars just to name a few on top of my head. As woman you can own the word. For me bitch equals bastard and that insult is so much less troublingly then moron or fool even when it is not very witty or – again for me - offensive. It was name calling on kindergarten level and made Dean look childish and completely out of his element.

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

What I found interesting is that turn-around from the insults that were casually thrown in Jo, Ruby and Belas direction by female fans, especially focused on their sexuality and gender.

I hear ya! It's surely partly hypocrisy or at least a lack of proper self-reflection. For example, I read statments of posters saying that Dean objectifies women, but they don't reflect on their own objectifying stance as viewer towards Jensen/Dean by constantly referring to his attractive looks. There seems to be a lot of dissembling going on at times. I also do think that there are several fractions in fandom and that there's a hypersensitive feminist fraction that deliberately chooses to see SN under the magnifying glass of feminist theories and in the process forgets about the fact that theories can never work without a specific context and it's the context the debaters are ignoring here.

...admire who hold up the ‘Yes, I’m a bitch, live with it or get lost!’-tradition like Cordelia Chase Out of context: Dean's inadequate humour and sometimes very blunt honesty very often reminds me of Cordelia actually, who is one of my favourite female TV characters! *g*

Anyway, I sometimes wonder if there's also a cultural difference. I personally never use similar derogatory terms like 'bitch' or 'slut' in German. Swearing and insuling on that level just seems to be way less spread over here, or at least that's my personal experience. English seems to lend itself more easily to this kind of language and while I have easily adopted to words like 'bitch' or 'fuck' in english these are words I would usually never use in German. :)

[astartexx.livejournal.com]

I’m a teaser, especially with close friends so I have adopted ‘Luder’ or ‘Zicke’ quite fondly even gone so far to make sure my sis and best friend have a coffee mug with it. But you are right ‘Miststück’ doesn’t come out as easily as bitch and ‘Schlampe’ has the same unpleasant ring as slut. Swearing in German is usually and in my experience as well more context driven or more likely the people I trade playful insults with are more creative than the average. Hence the reason why it is so much fun.

And yes, you are so right about the objectifying stance – I generally don’t mind the ‘Oh pretty, pretty boys’ sighs, but this is also not a proper language you would use and it sometimes makes me cringe hard, when fans can’t seem to connect these two dots. Or maybe it is just that I rather be called a bitch then a pretty face. *shrugs*

Oh, and I already felt alone in unintentionally comparing Dean to Cordelia in my mind. So glad I’m not the only one that came up with that parallel. Yay.

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Heh, well yeah, 'Zicke' is probably the only word that I would consider as a common endearing insult amongst my friends as well. I just very rarely swear beyond a casual 'verdammt' here and there LOL I think I am not very creative when it comes to insults, I just never gave it a second thought.

[tuesdaymelodies.livejournal.com]

Wow, I didn't even know there was a problem with Dean and Ruby in the fandom, guess that's what I get for never going to forums huh? I never even thought about it that way, I agree with what you said about the way he treats women, and Ruby is a DEMON. I think he had every right to hit her or call her names, because she was tryin to get to Sam, and that just don't go in Dean's world. Lol. Eitherway, I'm glad you put in your 2 cents, cause I think you're right about it all, I'm glad you pointed it out.

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Thanks! :) Believe me, mostly it's safer and much more fun to stay away from fandom at large. Over the last year I mainly stay away from fandom discussions and stay in my happy little corner of the SN world! LOL

[tuesdaymelodies.livejournal.com]

Oh I hear ya! I have like two people I talk to the show about, and now lately you soo. Lol. I like my own little SN world too. :P

[grand-sophy.livejournal.com]

The same things have been bothering me about this wank, to the extent that I started researching profanity and insults, to see if there were any gender neutral epithets that Dean could believably have used against Ruby to achieve the dual goals of infuriating her and expressing the depth of his own distrust and loathing. If he were British he could have drawn on a rich history of invective (one reason Bela so outclassed him in their "witty repartee"). A religious Dean could have referred to her as hellspawn or a thrice damned soul, if that weren't just a literal description instead of blasphemy. A literary Dean could have stolen wonderfully colourful epithets from Chaucer, Shakespeare or Dickens. If this was "Deadwood--the Supernatural Edition" a huge range of scatological and sexual expletives would open up. Dean's options for swearing are severely limited by his network, his education, his disposition, and his nationality (there are no entries for American English in the alternative-dictionaries.net collaborative project for collecting bad language from around the world--that's rather sad).

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Ooh interesting points, thanks for sharing. I very much agree that Dean's range of words is certainly limited by all the factors you point out and believably so. I am pretty sure if SN was on another network there would be a lot more swearing, which can easily be seen by the constant 'beeps' that censored Sam and Dean's language in 'Ghostfacers' where the writer's could play with it without reprimands.

...there are no entries for American English in the alternative-dictionaries.net collaborative project

Wow, that kind of astonishes me since I usually perceive the American language as way more colourful than others. Of course I am a non-native speaker, so that perception could be wrong, but still that's surprising.

On a side note: I was astonished how fast I accepted the term 'cocksucker' as an expression for practically every person on the planet after watching 3 seasons of Deadwood! LOL I am not sure if that's alarming or funny. ;)

[eleanorb.livejournal.com]

Just surfing by.

It's nice to see some well thought out reason in this debate instead of the knee-jerk responses so many have posted.

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Hey there surfer! :)

Thank you! The imbalanced arguments in this debate really agitated me, so I felt I had to formulate a response for my own peace of mind. :) I am glad that you enjoyed my post.

Re: very thoughtful analysis

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Thanks a lot for the nice words about my little essay. :) I was really frustrated with the fact that only few debaters actually made an effort to look into Dean's behaviour as a whole, but only drew conclusions from one isolated case and then even refused to take the context into account. :(

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