SDCC 2012 | S8 Spoilers | New Theory
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galatheaI just learned something that made me rethink the theory I formulated in my last post. It actually makes me a litte bit excited for S8. :)
So, I just learned that the monster that helps Dean to escape from purgatory is a vampire. Why does that excite me? Remember, in There Will Be Blood Sam and Dean reaquainted themselves with the alpha vampire. He is kind of indebted to them, for saving the vampire race from extinction through the leviathans. Alphas are supposed to know where purgatory is and how to access it - that was why Castiel and Crowley captured and tortured them, after all. My theory now is that, as soon as he figured out that Dean is in purgatory, Sam tracked the alpha vampire down and made a pact with him - Sam's retirement from the hunt in exchange for the alpha's help to get Dean out of purgatory. The alpha could have sent one of his own to purgatory with instructions of how to escape with his human charge. I love this theory for two reasons. Firstly, it would mean that, indirectly, Sam does save Dean from purgatory, and secondly, I love the symmetry of Sam making a deal with a vampire topside, thus forcing Dean to make a deal with a vampire in purgatory. Of course, idiots that they are, they would initially refuse to share that information with their respective brother out of guilt and shame - until their mutual confessions mid-season. :) And hey, the alpha did see them off with a 'See you next season'. We know that the writers were setting up S8 in the last 3 episodes of S7, so I doubt this is all a coincidence.
So, I just learned that the monster that helps Dean to escape from purgatory is a vampire. Why does that excite me? Remember, in There Will Be Blood Sam and Dean reaquainted themselves with the alpha vampire. He is kind of indebted to them, for saving the vampire race from extinction through the leviathans. Alphas are supposed to know where purgatory is and how to access it - that was why Castiel and Crowley captured and tortured them, after all. My theory now is that, as soon as he figured out that Dean is in purgatory, Sam tracked the alpha vampire down and made a pact with him - Sam's retirement from the hunt in exchange for the alpha's help to get Dean out of purgatory. The alpha could have sent one of his own to purgatory with instructions of how to escape with his human charge. I love this theory for two reasons. Firstly, it would mean that, indirectly, Sam does save Dean from purgatory, and secondly, I love the symmetry of Sam making a deal with a vampire topside, thus forcing Dean to make a deal with a vampire in purgatory. Of course, idiots that they are, they would initially refuse to share that information with their respective brother out of guilt and shame - until their mutual confessions mid-season. :) And hey, the alpha did see them off with a 'See you next season'. We know that the writers were setting up S8 in the last 3 episodes of S7, so I doubt this is all a coincidence.
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Date: 2012-07-19 05:44 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2012-07-19 08:19 pm (UTC)I'll admit that I'm just so desperate for Sam to be the one to save Dean from purgatory somehow, someway. They need it, don't you think?
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Date: 2012-07-19 09:07 pm (UTC)I am pretty confident that the reintroduction of the alpha at the end of S7 and the fact that Dean gets help from a vampire in purgatory is no coincidence. But if it plays out the way I would like it to, who knows. :)
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Date: 2012-07-19 11:02 pm (UTC)But, really, I'd be very surprised if the alpha vampire didn't feature significantly in the season. He's one of the few leaders left with the intelligence and organisational capabilities to make any kind of trouble. And while I have no idea what they intend to do with this season, I'm fairly confident that they intentionally leak ideas that will freak everyone out so that nobody even breathes until they get to the episode that explains why they didn't need to worry so much.
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Date: 2012-07-20 07:34 am (UTC)*snorts* Thanks for that image. But seriously, we know that Dean did things in purgatory he doesn't want Sam to know, and I highly suspect Sam did the same, hence all my theorising, but man, after everything their relationship survived these past seven seasons, one would think that they both know that secrets/lies hurt the other one more than the actual secret they are hiding. /sigh
Heh, I know. It always works really, really well on me. I was in a panick-y state all week. But I think there are also a lot of fans who get so pissed off and frustrated that they won't even tune in when the show comes back. I am not sure if the writers/producers don't shoot themselves in the foot with misleading spoilers.
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Date: 2012-07-21 10:43 pm (UTC)They thoroughly freaked me out in early spoilers for season six, so I try to affect an air of unconcern since then to show that they are not deceiving me, damn it! I don't know how convincing it is. :)
I guess they think any publicity is good publicity, but I've no idea what they gain or lose from frightening everybody - and I bet they don't know either.
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Date: 2012-07-22 10:38 am (UTC)They just can't stop themselves from doing it. It's all that long-term psychological damage piling up on them.
Maybe, but at this point in the story it just feels like a plot contrivance sometimes. We need to have a conflict between the brothers, so they have to keep secrets from each other, even though they should have learned their lessons by now. We've often seen the boys being honest and open with each other for long stretches of time these last couple of seasons, so every time they fall back into their old behavioural patterns for some reason, I find it a tad frustrating.
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Date: 2012-07-23 12:26 am (UTC)Oh, I agree with that. I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that they're not brave enough to try writing different kinds of conflict, so we're going to get secrets and lies again. I can just rationalise it to the point where it doesn't bother me very much, because people do fall back into bad habits when under stress - and they always find new ways to put them under stress. I think they are aware of how bad the habit is - I mean, a lot of the Amy Pond storyline was Dean fretting because he knows how badly that sort of thing always turns out - and they try not to do it. I do wish they'd explore some of their other issues, though. Honest or not, they're still broken - and there's plenty of room for drama there.
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Date: 2012-07-23 07:46 am (UTC)I hear ya! These boys are a goldmine of psychological issues. There are so many facets to explore, it makes me sad that the writers are stuck on the same old song. Every now and then they try - like in Defending your Life, for example - but they rarely ever tap the full potential of the storylines they created over the years.
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Date: 2012-07-20 08:24 am (UTC)And some of the spoilers have made me happy like the fact that we will actually get flashbacks to Dean in purgatory and his time there, what frustrated me in season 4 was finding out that Dean had all these experiences in 40 years in hell and the audience were shut out of seeing any of it. I do question how the budget will stretch to doing anything too epic with purgatory though, but hopefully they'll be able to work around the budget and still put together something decent
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Date: 2012-07-20 08:57 am (UTC)See, I don't think purgatory (or hell, for that matter) needs to be visually epic for it to be effective. We all know that SPN operates on a very small budget and are accepting of the consequences. Purgatory can be a dark forest (like the one we see in the final moments of S7) or an empty room for all I care, what matters is the character and what he goes through. :)
There are some things that made me happy, too. Like Sam not becoming a drunken, self-destructive wreck after Dean's disappearance. He needs to keep his wits about him if he wants to save Dean and avoid falling into the same behavioural traps as he did in S4.
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Date: 2012-09-10 07:44 pm (UTC)I've even got my fingers crossed, this is something that has brought me trepidation, the idea that Sam, Sam who would die, kill and do just about anything for his brother would shrug his shoulders and just give up... it doesn't make any sense... then again the writers have done character assassination on both the boys before so I'm trying not to get my hopes up.
Then another part of me is saying 'if Sam didn't make some sort of deal it's because he's exhuasted all his option' I'm even cataloging all the ways we know to open purgatory and dismissing them...
Here is hoping that the writers will think like you.
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Date: 2012-09-10 10:14 pm (UTC)