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I knew about the premise for The Real Ghostbusters for quite a while and given my fierce dislike for the fandom jokes in the show, I dreaded the episode like no other. In the end, I didn’t loathe it quite as much as I thought I would – the brothers’ characterisation felt natural and their interaction had their old smoothness, the ghost case was genuinely creepy, some of the side characters were enjoyable - but it was still pretty self-indulgent, heavy-handed and (mostly) pointless storytelling. Additionally, the episode is adversely affected by the fact that it tops off a run of episodes that not only sorely lack in plot and character development, but also suffer from a tonal whiplash at the most inopportune time of the season. Overall, Eric Kripke and Nancy Weiner wrote a script that, on its own, would have been harmless at best, but combined with he episodes that preceded it, it further drags down the already struggling season for me.



Okay, so a fair warning ahead, this review starts off with a look at the problematic structure of the first half of the season, so feel free to skip this part and jump ahead to the actual part about the episode further down the line. :)

The Real Ghostbusters is the fourth episode in a row with a humorous subplot or off-the-wall premise, which is pretty much unprecedented in the history of the show so far, and for very good reasons. From the Pilot on Supernatural established itself as a family drama and horror show and that set the tone for the show to dark and angsty right away. Comedy has always been spread out over the season as a means to generally lighten the dark tone and set a deliberate contrast to especially dramatic episodes, e.g. Tall Tales following Born Under A Bad Sign or It’s A Terrible Life following the bleak On The Head Of A Pin. While at times the abrupt tonal changes, which almost inevitably accompany that tradition to follow dramatic episodes with humorous ones, felt forced or disrupted continuity, I came to accept it as part of the concept of the show. This unexpected row of humorous episodes in S5 though, infringes on Supernatural’s own long standing tradition and rationalisation for comedy in a dramatic series, thus alienating the viewer, or well, at least this viewer.

Obviously, the fact that I don’t find the humour utilized in Supernatural particularly funny, makes it generally more difficult for me to enjoy episodes that rely on comedy, but if a humorous episode at least connects to the mytharc or the story of Sam and Dean in some capacity, like for example Changing Channels did, it gives me an incentive to overcome my discomfort with the tone of the episode. Consequentially, for me the biggest problem with these last couple of episodes isn’t primarily their humorous tone, but the fact that it seems as if the writers used the sudden and extended tonal changes as an excuse to stop the ongoing storylines and, most importantly, the character development for Sam and Dean.

Now, I am not saying that there has been no character development at all in the last couple of episodes, as I Believe The Children Are Our Future touched upon Sam’s redemption arc, The Curious Case Of Dean Winchester moved Bobby’s storyline forward and Changing Channels and The Real Ghostbusters showed us Sam and Dean in a renewed capacity to trust each other and work as a team. However, I don't think these bits of development are anywhere near what these characters (or the audience for that matter) need or deserve, given the massive fallout to the S4 events for the brothers’ relationship. The main problem with the story so far is that the trust issues (or any other lingering issues) between the brothers have not been addressed yet. This is particularly problematic because, while the old intimacy between the brothers isn't restored yet, every passing episode returns Sam and Dean step-by-step to their former dynamics, although the show offered no satisfactory resolution to their interpersonal issues. While I can accept that their current day-to-day interaction, based on honesty and the mutual willingness to work past their issues, may alleviate some of the weight of their problematic past and inspire a fragile trust between the brothers, the sudden halt in the exploration of the reasons that lead to the deterioration of their relationship in the first place, unfortunately denies the brothers the chance to develop a truly new stage in their relationship. Don’t get me wrong, I am eternally grateful to have the basic feeling of Sam'n'Dean back, but the significance and meaning of their togetherness is undermined by the lack of resolution to their S4 storyline.

In this context it is especially regrettable that Sam's redemption arc was only touched upon in passing so far, and that the show didn't even start to look into the internal issues that caused Sam’s fall in S4 in the first place in some earnest capacity yet. Following Sam’s first step towards self-awareness at the end of Good God, Y’all, his struggles have only shortly been highlighted in Free To Be You And Me, where he confronted his addiction and, at least fleetingly, his anger management issues, but ever since his problems have mostly been absent from the plot, and he wasn’t allowed any deeper self-reflection. Furthermore, by cutting Sam’s self-reflection short, the show also denies Sam the opportunity to properly explain himself towards his brother, so Dean would be able to fully understand what drove Sam’s actions in the past. We, as the audience, gained crucial insight into Sam’s conflicted nature last season from episodes like When The Levee Breaks, Dean, on the other hand, is still completely in the dark about his brother’s motivations, apart from Sam’s remark in Fallen Idols that he needed to escape Dean’s authoritative hold over him, and surely the show doesn’t want to insinuate that this was the only, or even the main, motivation for Sam’s actions. To let that statement stand on its own, without at least exploring some of the other issues Sam had last year as well, completely undermines the complexity of Sam’s S4 arc, and that’s a huge disservice to the character. Overall, I think Dean’s self-realisation process so far was handled far better than Sam’s, which I find odd, given that it was Sam whose personality went through major changes last season.

Apart from the open issues in the brotherly relationship, which, admittedly, are the most pressing matter at the moment for me, there are plenty of other open plot strands that need to be explored, i.e. Sam’s powers, the demons’ open agenda to eliminate the threat that is Dean, Castiel’s search for God, the vessel mythology, the general search for alternatives to defeat Lucifer and, last but not least, the apocalypse and Lucifer himself. After all, we are talking about the end of the world here, and I think it's just impossible to fade these storylines into the background for an extended period of time, without losing momentum and credibility of the apocalypse plot. And since the writers don't even use the calm before the storm to psychologically move the characters into position properly, I feel they waste a huge chunk of the (possibly last) season on inconsequential episodes, where they should focus on meaningful storytelling. This is not S1 anymore, where resolutions could be pushed back to built up the mystery. This is S5, where all they have built up over the last four seasons should come to fruition, character-wise as well as plot-wise, and there is no reason to not push ahead and pull out all the stops.

And just for the record, forward movement for these plot strands, including the brotherly relationship, doesn’t necessarily equal heavy angst and tearjerker scenes, it can be achieved in a more light-hearted setting, without compromising the characters or the plot. The writers once knew how to work that fine balance, and I wished they would remember that. While I get that they wanted to give the show a lighter feel after the bleakness that was S4, there is still a difference between light-hearted and shallow. I just fear that even if the show makes a turn in the second half of the season and focuses on the apocalypse and Sam and Dean’s destinies, it will be too late to direct the appropriate attention to the interpersonal issues between the brothers that arose out of their differences in S4, as mytharc heavy episodes tend to fall short on character exploration.

Sorry for the rant. Don’t get me wrong, I love my show and there is a lot I enjoyed about the last couple of episodes, but given the extremely rich material the writers have at their disposal for exploration, I can’t help but feel very frustrated that they chose to not tap into the potential of it and instead wasted most of the screen time on superficial comedy. Let’s hope for a better second part of the season.

Sam: "Becky, what is this?"
Becky: "It’s awesome! A Supernatural convention. The first ever."


It’s no secret that I am not a fan of the fandom meta aspect the show added to the text by introducing the Supernatural book series in The Monster At The End Of The Book. While it was tolerable for that one episode, it already overstayed its welcome in Sympathy For The Devil and now becomes an outright annoyance. The fandom jokes in the show bother me for several reasons: Firstly, whenever the show breaks down the 4th wall, i.e. suspends the boundaries between the fictional setting of Supernatural and the audience, it forces me to acknowledge that the show and its characters are fictional constructs, thus subverting my emotional access to the show, which significantly depends on perceiving the characters and their conflicts as real. I might be able to overcome the friction between my willingness to suspend disbelief and the show’s insistence on its fictional nature for one scene within an otherwise serious episode, but an episode that is centred around this very aspect makes it near impossible for me to find my way back into the story, whenever they switch to Sam and Dean and the haunting. In short, I become detached from the characters and that’s simply not what I want when I watch my show.

Secondly, I feel that the writers can’t have it both ways, they can’t make the audience genuinely care about the show and its characters and then poke fun at the emotional core of their own show, without conveying the impression that it is ridiculous to actually care so much. For example, take the scenes where Barnes and Demian play out brotherly moments from Asylum and Hunted, fake growly voices and all. Now, obviously they deeply care about the characters, but by ridiculing Demian and Barnes in that moment, the show not only undermines the crucial emotional moments between Sam and Dean that they chose to re-enact, but also mocks the part of the audience that feels as serious about Sam and Dean as these fans do. Luckily part of that conflicting message is softened by the fact that later in the episode Demian and Barnes were shown as layered and genuinely caring characters, but it bothers me nonetheless, whenever those scenes come around. It’s not that I can’t take a step back and laugh at my own unhealthy obsession with Supernatural, but I don’t need the show to do it for me.

As a side note: I am not one of those fans who frequently accuse the show of misogyny or racism, in fact, I always argued vehemently against that position, but even I resent the fact that the only female fan representative in the episode, namely Becky, is depicted as an obnoxious, overly excitable, deluded and shallow caricature of a person, who is completely disconnected from reality and has no boundaries at all. Becky doesn’t have a single genuine character moment that would redeem her or at least show a more likeable side to her personality. The male fan representatives Demian and Barnes, on the other hand, while also affectionately mocked as geeks for a good part of the episode, reveal themselves as courageous and genuinely caring personalities underneath their geeky exterior, they get to save the day and on top of it 'get' the real message of the books. In contrasting Becky and Demian and Barnes so explicitly, the show makes it really hard to ignore these stereotypes of the crazy fangirl and the obsessive, but ultimately loveable, male geek. Especially since we know that Kripke & Co are very aware of the fact that the majority of the Supernatural online fandom/convention attendants are women. Now, I don’t really think that the show deliberately tries to cast its female fans in a particularly bad light, but a bit of variety would have gone a long way to avoid irritation here.

Dean: "I think that the Dean and Sam story sucks. It is not fun. It’s not entertaining. It is a river of crap that would send most people howling to the nuthouse. So you listen to me, their pain is not for your amusement. I mean, do you think that they enjoy being treated like circus freaks?"

The scene where Dean tears Barnes and Demian a new one for using their lives as a source of amusement, was one of the few highlights of the episode for me. I imagine that if Dean had met Barnes and Demian back in S1, he would have reacted with amusement at their silly antics. His natural optimism and good-natured confidence back then, would have allowed him to see the absurdity in that particular encounter. However, the immense personal sacrifices of the last couple of years gradually eroded Dean's natural optimism and life-affirming attitude through loss, guilt and depression and as a result Dean became more and more disillusioned and world weary. His hell experience in particular and the subsequent guilt and self-loathing drove Dean into an utterly fatalistic headspace. He only anticipated a sad and bloody future for him and his brother, and his estrangement from Sam only added to his fatalism. And while he picked himself up again and soldiered on, I don’t think the general outlook on his ultimate fate changed. So, it’s no surprise that presently he lacks the distance to see Barnes and Demian’s attitude as what it is: ignorance. In the face of the pain Dean endured over the years, Barnes and Demian’s naïve view on his (fictional) life and their exploit of his suffering for entertainment, is indeed insulting, and I think Dean hits the nail on the head when he points out that most other people would have ended up insane, living their lives.

Now, obviously there is a great deal of romanticism involved in the fan perspective that the hero’s life is more exciting and meaningful, and hence more desirable, than that of the average Joe. A hero tale, i.e. the story of an ordinary person, who is called to a special destiny, offers an escape from the everyday life and a projection screen for the reader/viewer. It allows them to be whoever they want to be, without actually needing to prove themselves. There is a reason why hero tales are so popular in fiction, after all, everyone wants to be special, or at least they think they do, because in the end they don’t have to test it against reality. That’s why I think it was especially poignant that in the end Barnes and Demian proved that Sam and Dean’s story isn’t only shallow entertainment to them. Instead it made a real impact on their lives and inspired them to take action in a, no doubt, frightening situation, because 'that’s what Sam and Dean would do'. The brothers became role models in their own right, and I loved that. ♥

Demian: "Real life? He sells stereo equipment, I fix copiers. Our lives suck. But to be Sam and Dean, to wake up every morning and save the world, to have a brother, who would die for you. Well, who wouldn’t want that."
Dean: "Maybe you got a point."


I am a bit torn about the end scene between Dean and Demian and Barnes, because on the one hand, I thought that part of their exchange was genuinely touching, but, on the other hand, it was also problematic in places. Let’s start with the positive: It is not often that Dean gets to witness how deeply inspiring his own dedication to his job, as well as his personal strength and values, are to other people. The realisation that he serves as a role model is a rare positive affirmation for Dean, and that’s especially important because he so often questions his own self-worth. Additionally, Demian’s statement that the deep and abiding mutual love between Dean and Sam is unique and can’t be taken for granted, as most people never get to experience a connection like that in their own lives, was heart-warming and rang very true to me. I loved that Dean got to hear this kind of positive outside perspective on his relationship with Sam, and if his expression is anything to go by, he was able to appreciate the truth in Demian’s heartfelt words. ♥

The more problematic aspect of Demian’s little speech though lies in his insistence that he and Barnes live the really crappy lives, because of their 'meaningless' existence as a salesman and repairman, while Dean at least gets to save the world, thus insinuating that Dean has no rightful reason to complain about his life. The show made a statement like that once before, namely in It’s A Terrible Life, where Zachariah told Dean to stop whining and accept that his life is still better than the dull existence of the average Joe with a 9-to-5 job. While the reveal of Zachariah’s true contemptuous nature retroactively allowed me to make my peace with that scene in It’s A Terrible Life, I nevertheless resented that assumption back then, and I resent it now as well. There is simply no way that the 'pain' of living a relatively boring and insignificant, but ultimately sheltered life is in any shape or form comparable to the enormous suffering both Sam and Dean endured these past four years alone. That doesn’t mean that there are no positive aspects in their lives as well - and Sam and Dean’s bond surely is one of those aspects - but that doesn’t negate the massive tragedy that is their existence as pawns in someone else’s apocalyptic game.

Furthermore, for me there is a conflict between the statement that, if we just look at Sam and Dean’s lives from the right perspective, they don’t really have anything to complain about, and the statement that their heroic lives are inspiring to the average person. The very reason why Sam and Dean are heroes and their lives are an inspiration to others is that they fight the good fight in the face of huge personal sacrifices. It’s the fact that although they take one terrible beating after the other, they get up every morning and continue to fight anyway. Therefore, to downplay Sam and Dean’s suffering subverts what makes their lives so extraordinary and inspiring in the first place. Not to mention that I find it disrespectful towards the honest working class people to declare their lives as meaningless and crappy, just because they don’t save the world on a regular basis. Besides, anyone who ever worked in an office knows how important it is to have someone to fix the damn copier! ;)

That being said, however, I think it is important to note that Demian and Barnes’ knowledge about the brotherly 'adventures' doesn’t extend past Dean’s death in No Rest For The Wicked, as the Supernatural book series stopped production at that point. So they know nothing about Dean’s resurrection and the subsequent deterioration of the brothers’ relationship, about Dean becoming a torturer in hell or Sam betraying his brother’s trust and becoming a blood addict and murderer. They are clueless about angels, the breaking of seals, Lucifer or the apocalypse and the massive guilt both brothers have to carry. While arguably Sam and Dean’s lives sucked before Dean’s trip to hell as well, it was last year that not only their personal relationship crashed, but they also started the end of the world. So, a crucial part of the brothers’ story is closed to Demian and Barnes, and I think we have to take that into account when judging their perspective on the desirability of Sam and Dean’s lives. While, ultimately, it doesn’t make the general perspective that the brothers’ lives are nothing to lament any less false, from the perspective of this particular character, the position might become a bit more understandable. Anyway, I don’t think Demian’s words significantly changed Dean’s outlook on his own life, but nevertheless I am happy that Dean at least took something positive from his encounter with the fans.

What else was noteworthy:

(1) I really enjoyed Sam and Dean’s smooth teamwork in The Real Ghostbusters, which conveyed a level of comfortableness between them, that reminded of their pre-S4 days. I thought it was especially notable that Sam asked Dean several times how he was, inquiring about his state of mind, rather than his physical well-being, which showed that he is more aware of, and responsive to, Dean’s moods again, and that makes me happy. I would probably have mentioned here that I loved the fact that Sam and Dean spoke in unison in this episode, if it wasn’t for Becky’s comment "I love it when they talk at the same time", which pretty much instantly killed my joy about the very incident. There’s really nothing like having a character you loathe express your own thoughts - in the exact moment you're having those thoughts even - to ruin a potentially great brotherly moment. Thank you for that, Show!

(2) Talking about Becky, her reveal that in the book version of Time Is On My Side Bela gave the Colt to a demon called Crowley, is a completely contrived way to move the plot forward. We know that the content of the books slightly differs from what we see in the show itself, because Chuck not only deliberately censors information about the brothers’ story that he deems compromising or unimportant, but he also adds details, like a little nudity here and there, presumably to make the books more attractive. But the information about Bela and the Colt falls in neither category, so the difference between book and episode makes no real sense here. It was also always heavily implied that Chuck’s visions are about Sam and Dean’s lives, specifically, so there is no reason why he should have had a vision about Bela’s whereabouts and actions in the first place, unless she was in Sam and/or Dean’s company. The whole set-up smacks of a convenient, yet implausible, deus-ex-machina. It’s incredibly lazy storytelling to use a contrived plot twist instead of actually developing a reasonable storyline that would provide the right context for Sam and Dean to utilize their own abilities as hunters and ascertain a lead via research or other investigative methods. I was incredibly disappointed with the writers’ cop-out here.

(3) I am not quite sure why the writers felt the need to use the well known (in fandom at least) online names of two real persons, i.e. Demian and Barnes, who are the reviewers and moderators for the Supernatural forum over at Television Without Pity. It was probably intended as a friendly wink at the Supernatural community, but I can’t help and feel that it is very inappropriate to mock real persons, no matter how affectionately it was meant. I think that takes involving fandom in the show a step (or two) too far.

In conclusion: Unlike its equally wacky predecessor Changing Channels, The Real Ghostbusters unfortunately didn’t reveal much substance beneath the humorous surface and as such it’s a pretty self-indulgent and pointless episode in my opinion. It doesn’t add to the character arcs or to the development of the mytharc, and since its overplayed meta aspect makes me more uncomfortable, than it amuses me, there wasn’t much in this episode for me to enjoy. I just really hope the next episode is more substantial, as I don’t really find much joy in ranting at my favourite show for an extended period of time. ;)

Date: 2009-11-16 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Crap, how dare you post just as I'm about to disappear off line for probably the rest of the evening!

*notes to read later*

Date: 2009-11-16 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Heh, sorry? There's plenty of time, the review's going nowhere. It's not as if there's anything you don't know about my opinion on the episode already. *g*

Date: 2009-11-17 09:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
Hee, it's true - we already discussed all this at great length. You know I always love seeing how that translates into a structured essay, though! And since I have given up on writing in brief about episodes that disappoint me, I have to live vicariously through you!

The Real Ghostbusters unfortunately didn’t reveal much substance beneath the humorous surface and as such it’s a pretty self-indulgent and pointless episode in my opinion. It doesn’t add to the character arcs or to the development of the mytharc, and since its overplayed meta aspect makes me more uncomfortable, than it amuses me, there wasn’t much in this episode for me to enjoy.
This closing statement pretty much sums it all up, really. It is a very superficial episode, and when you scratch the surface most of what you see really isn't pretty.

Dean, on the other hand, is still completely in the dark about his brother’s motivations, apart from Sam’s remark in Fallen Idols that he needed to escape Dean’s authoritative hold over him, and surely the show doesn’t want to insinuate that this was the only, or even the main, motivation for Sam’s actions. To let that statement stand on its own, without at least exploring some of the other issues Sam had last year as well, completely undermines the complexity of Sam’s S4 arc, and that’s a huge disservice to the character.
You already know how I feel about Fallen Idols, of course! I just wanted to point out that letting Sam's statement in that episode stands alone does a huge disservice to both characters, not just to Sam, as it heaps a disproportional share of blame for Sam's mistakes on Dean's shoulders, which isn't fair on Dean and detracts from Sam's individual agency.

God, I really need to get that episode recapped in full at some point and get it out of my system!

(edited because I cannot type this morning!)
Edited Date: 2009-11-17 09:24 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-11-17 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
LOL I live to serve! *g*

it heaps a disproportional share of blame for Sam's mistakes on Dean's shoulders
That's true, still, the fact that Dean got so more self-realisation development this season, where Sam's is still lacking, annoys me. Especially since it makes Sam look so bad. I mean, his actions last season were bad, but what made it bearable was that his motivations were so complex and tragic and by not addressing that explicitly between the brothers, they make Sam look colder than he really was. I resent that. Dean might get more blame than he deserves, but at least nobody would accuse him to be the bad guy in the whole mess. /sigh

Date: 2009-11-17 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
*spots typos I missed when correcting earlier. Sigh*

The lack of balance is driving me nuts - why would they give all the self-discovery storylines to Dean when Sam's redemption arc is just sitting there waiting to be utilised for dramatic effect and character development? It was so important that their development was in-depth and handled side-by-side this season, but instead it has been either one-sided or non-existent!

Gah.

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Date: 2009-11-16 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lindahoyland.livejournal.com
Thank you for this.I enjoyed reading it.

Date: 2009-11-16 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Thank you for reading. :) I am glad you enjoyed it, I mean, it's not necessarily a given, considering that it is a pretty negative review. ;)
Edited Date: 2009-11-16 05:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-11-16 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lindahoyland.livejournal.com
I've no idea when or if I'll see the episodes in the UK, so being able to read about them in such detail is a treat.

Date: 2009-11-16 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Oh, you mean you read the reviews without having seen the episode? Wow, I am astonished they makes sense in that case. I mean, I never do episode summaries and always assume that the reader knows which scenes I am talking about! Fascinating!

Date: 2009-11-16 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Delurking to let you know how much I enjoy your reviews. They are extremely insightful and often inspire me to go back and rewatch episodes with your observances in mind. Last night it was 'In My Time Of Dying.' It gave me new appreciation for the episode and opened my eyes to a few things I didn't notice or pay much attention to the first couple times I watched it!
I also love love love your artwork/wallpapers!! You are extremely talented and have a good eye for aesthetics. Do you work in the graphic arts field or is it just a hobby?

Cathy

Date: 2009-11-16 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Hey Cathy! *waves* I'm glad you dropped by to say hello! I am very happy that my reviews help you to see new facets even in older episodes. I put a lot of work and time in my reviews, and it's always very gratifying for me to know how much other people appreciate them. :) Btw, I love 'In My Time Of Dying', it's one of my favourite episodes. I should probably rework that review, as it is old and not quite up to the standards I have nowadays in my writing. ;)

Thank you so much for your kind words on my wallpapers. I wished I worked in the graphic arts field, but no, it's just a hobby I picked up a couple of years ago. I don't get to make art as frequently as I wished to, but I really love working with PS. :)

Date: 2009-11-16 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You're welcome :). I'm always impressed with people who can create something so beautiful since I feel I do not have an artistic bone in my body.
I noticed that you don't have many Season 1 reviews in your archives. I would love to read your thoughts on Skin, Asylum and Scarecrow. They are my favorite S1 episodes, just chock full of brotherly goodness! Because, like you, I'm all about the brothers and their relationship. Jensen and Jared are amazing in their roles. They sell it to me every week!!

Date: 2009-11-16 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Thanks! :) I actually never really suspected that I have a good eye for graphics, I kind of fell into it by accident, but I can't imagine my life without it anymore.

I know I am seriously lacking in the S1 department. :( I did write rudimentary reviews back in S1, but they are really not worth reading. I only started to write more analytically about the show from S2 onwards, and even some of my S2 reviews are still lacking in depth. I always wanted to take the time and make those first notes on S1 episodes into full reviews, but so far I only managed 'Dead Man's Blood'. It's difficult to write about S1 nowadays and keep hindsight out of it, but maybe I'll find the time over the winter hiatus to work on those S1 reviews again.

My favourite S1 episodes, man, where to begin, I really love S1! I guess Scarecrow, Faith, Nightmare, Something Wicked and Devil's Trap would make the top of my list. The brotherly relationship is what got me uttely obsessed with the show back in S1, and I didn't look back since. Sam and Dean are the most layered, complex and three-dimensional characters on TV and the JJs indeed knock it out of the park, plus their brotherly chemistry is just stunning. ♥

Date: 2009-11-16 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hmm, I guess it would be difficult to really look at S1 objectively, as you would if you were seeing it for the first time and not colored by all that has happened from S2 on.

I'm a newbie when it comes to Supernatural. The first episode I was 'exposed' to was On The Head Of A Pin. I was pretty much done with CSI:LV once William Peterson left, so I was looking for something to keep me occupied for a little while before bed. I tuned in to the middle of Dean torturing Alistair and it was so disturbing I had to turn it off! But I couldn't stop thinking about it and that guy (Dean) who gave off the evil vibe. Of course I had no idea what the heck was going on and thought that if I watched the previous episode, it might clue me in. Yea, right! Death Takes A Holiday just made me even more confused. Two very tall, very handsome guys turning themselves into spirits!?! What's that all about!?! So I decided I must go back to the beginning. That's where I discovered the brother's story and I've been hooked ever since. And I haven't regretted it once. I always find something redeeming in any given episode. Even if it's just a beautiful shot of the boys. Or the Impala. Or the boys in the Impala. :) It doesn't take much to make me happy when it comes to them...

-Cathy

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Date: 2009-11-17 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llywela13.livejournal.com
LOL I feel the same way about my S1 recaps - and yet at the time the amount that I wrote seemed excessive! Man, if only I had known how much more in depth and lengthy it was possible to get...

It would be nice, wouldn't it, to have the time and leisure to go back to those early episodes and re-explore them in depth, allowing ourselves to wallow in the beauty that hindsight adds to them while also trying to remember what we took from them at the time. If only someone would pay us to write about TV!

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Date: 2009-11-17 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I like how you sometimes use a line or 2 from song lyrics. The song I have in my head right now is 'Broken' by Lifehouse, which to me could be Dean's theme song. Specifically, this:

I'm falling apart, I'm barely breathing
With a broken heart that's still beating
In the pain there is healing
In your name I find meaning
So I'm holdin' on, I'm holdin' on, I'm holdin' on
I'm barely holdin' on to you

Although, I guess it could really apply to both of them. I see the scene at the end of On The Head Of A Pin (back to that one!) where Sam is sitting next to Dean in the hospital bed. One shot of Sam's face looking at him, then the next shot of Dean's face while comatose. Maybe the one shot of Dean passed out on the floor. See what I mean? Not very creative. That's why they only exist in my head *g*.

Oh, and llywela13 - I like reading your reviews as well. :) I can count on one hand the number of reviewers/recappers that I prefer and will visit them after each new episode. Then I check out the archives. No, I'm not obsessed... *g*


-Cathy

Date: 2009-11-17 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Hm, I see what you mean. Wonderful Sam'n'Dean lyrics, btw. What you suggest is very difficult to achieve on canvas. 2-3 headshots are difficult to compose and blend, especially if there's nothing to create meaningful space between them. But these lyrics fit on any good h/c moment between the brothers really. I'll think about it, but I can't promise anything. ;)

Date: 2009-11-17 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for the feedback! Just something I was thinking about but you would definitely know if it would translate well.

Speaking of music - I know you MUST have a list of songs that you'd love to hear on the show!! Since I was already a classic rock fan before tuning in, I love to hear all my favorite tunes being used! It's too bad they couldn't afford Led Zeppelin; especially since "Ramble On" is one of Dean's 'favorite songs.'

When I heard that there was to be a demon named Crowley on this week's episode, Abandon All Hope, I automatically thought of Ozzy Osbourne's "Mr. Crowley." They've used Ozzy in the past, wonder if they thought of that song at all?

-Cathy

Date: 2009-11-17 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Heh, I don't really have a list, ever since they were forced to cut back on the music for budget reasons, I am basically happy every time we get a song. I really wanted them to use The Stones for the season opener this year and was sad they didn't use the episode's namesake. Just like they didn't use The Doors 'The End' for the episode of the same name, which I was kinda hoping for. I kinda also wait for them to use Thin Lizzy's 'The Boys are back in Town', some Cream or Deep Purple would be nice too. LOL Although they already fulfilled a wish of mine when they used Jefferson Airplane's 'White Rabbit' in Hunted. :)

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Date: 2009-11-19 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shang-yiet.livejournal.com
You said everything I wanted to say, especially about Sam's redemption arc. I hated that oversimplified line in Fallen Idols. Sam caught so much flak over it for alleged 'blame shifting' and not taking responsibility for his actions.

And I'm not a fan of comedy. I want to wallow in the angst instead. Loved your review.

Date: 2009-11-19 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Thank you! :) Yeah, the lack of development for Sam really bothers me. I mean, there was some good character stuff for him in 5.02, 5.03 and 5.06, but overall, given the complexity and severity of his arc in S4, so far the writers didn't even begin to touch the depth of that. :(

I don't need angst. I had enough angst in S4 to last me a life time, but appropriate character development is a MUST for me, and unfortunately the writers fail epically in that regard these last couple of episodes. :(

Date: 2010-01-04 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
Wow, so by the time you post 5x10 I will be able to comment on it! :D Awesome....though I still need to read your other reviews as well....I kind of picked up momentum and stopped reading your reviews after each epp...:)

Besides, anyone who ever worked in an office knows how important it is to have someone to fix the damn copier! ;)

First off, this was by far my favorite line of your review! :p Damn straight....

Well I've been rather curious about this episode given all I've heard from you guys about it, and I have to say that I didn't hate it. I enjoyed seeing a MOTW being solved by Sam and Dean as well as Fake!Sam and Deans (and their differentiating themselves), and I liked Dean's interactions with Damien and Barnes (I didn't realize they were well known real fans) in the two scenes you mentioned as well, although I agree that they were wrong to think D&S's lives were so much better--but on the other hand I feel like people living in their parents' basement and role-playing or playing video games all the time would probably feel that way, that statement felt natural to me, so it didn't bother me--I don't think we are supposed to believe that this is what we should believe, that's just the (IMO realistic) perspective of a certain type of person....these scenes reminded me of the scene in "Wishful Thinking" when the guy complained that Sam and Dean had it so easy because they were attractive. The grass is always greener on the other side, it's human nature...

And I did love what he said about Sam'n'Dean's relationship, that part is true, these days when I encounter brothers in real life I often find myself comparing to Sam and Dean. But as you say, that closeness comes with a price, as 2x20 made all too clear....

I also agree about the gender disparity at the convention. I remember reading a fandom!secret that was saying that it was because it was a book/comic series, not a TV one, and that therefore it would have had a more male crowd, but I have been to a sci-fi/fantasy book convention before (my favorite author was there!), and there were definitely many women there--equal proportions, if not more females even. I think that the main reason they did such a disproportionate number of men was so that they could all dress up as Sam and Dean and LARP that way, although if there was going to be a scarecrow and a clown and a hookman they could have had a Ruby and a Jo/Ellen and a Bela....Becky and the stammering publicist of season 4 certainly shouldn't be the only representatives of female fans....

Speaking of Ruby, I kind of did like for instance that question about Ruby--which given that these fans didn't know about season 4, was all the more perceptive--and the bungee-cord thing, as silly as that is....I don't find the meta as bothersome as you do, since the writers managed to come up with a mytharc explanation for it, although I don't like all of it, and I do feel kind of bad for Wincesters to be so mocked by the show they love, even if I feel the same way as Sam and Dean about Wincest.

As far as this run of humorous episodes (although in season 3 for instance too you had the humorous MS and GF pretty close together too) affecting the credibility of the apocalypse, it is true that this certainly is no ATS season 4 in which there was never much of a break from the apocalypse the whole season once it began. But with 5x06 and 5x08 relating pretty strongly to the mytharc, it's not as far off track as I thought it would be from hearing you guys talk. I think that the more pressing issue would be the brother's storyline....

Date: 2010-01-04 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
So by the time you post 5x10 I will be able to comment on it!

I guess you will! My 5.10 review is half-finished, sitting on my desktop, staring accusingly at me all the time, but I can't bring myself to write on it. I am pretty detached from Show at the moment, my disappointment with how the brother's storyline was handled between 5.04 and 5.10 still overrules everything else. /sigh

I don't think we are supposed to believe that this is what we should believe, that's just the (IMO realistic) perspective of a certain type of person....

Oh, definitely. As I said, from the perspective of the character it makes sense. The problem is, since this is an episode that directly functions as meta, I can't help and feel that not only do the writers express the viewpoint that most fans share Demian and Barnes' perspective on the desirablity of the brothers' lives (which I think is not true), but they also insinuate that what Demian and Barnes express here is true by making it the serious core message at the end of the episode. Especially since they made it the core message once before in 4.17. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

these days when I encounter brothers in real life I often find myself comparing to Sam and Dean

LMAO I do that as well! *g* I have siblings too, as do most of my friends, and while we are all close with our brothers/sisters, Sam and Dean's relationship is absolutely extraordinary, although it still captures the normal dynamics between siblings very accurately. It's one of the strengths of the show that it depicts siblings dynamics so realistically.

I think that the more pressing issue would be the brother's storyline....

Well, as I state in my review, it's not the fact that the episodes were light-hearted, it's the fact that the brother's reconciliation process was completely shoved into the background. That infuriates me more than anything else. I may lament about the mytharc stuff, but in the end all I care about is Sam and Dean. The shallowness in the characterisation of the past couple of episodes drives me crazy, it gives the impression that the writers stopped to care about their characters, and I resent that like you wouldn't believe. There hasn't been any meaningful brotherly relationship development for 4 episodes in a row, that's pretty much unprecedented in the show. And at this stage it's pretty much unforgivable to me. The 2nd half of the season has a lot to make up for as I lost any faith in the writers at the moment. :(

Date: 2010-01-04 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
Yeah, I don't actually have any siblings, and neither do most of my oldest friends, so I don't have any personal point of comparison, but still....my cousins, my dad and his brother, etc I have thought about in terms of S&D, and there's someone I know for instance who was talking once about the sacrifices his older brothers had made for him which of course immediately made me think of the Dynamic Duo! ;)

And I'm sorry this season is driving you so crazy, I know how you feel--what you feel sounds like how frustrated I was with season 2 of Merlin! :(

Date: 2010-01-04 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galathea-snb.livejournal.com
Yeah, my best friend actually lived through similar circumstances as Sam and Dean - losing her mother early, taking care of her younger sisters for a while, because the father couldn't cope - she related to that aspect of the story pretty strongly. But yeah, the term 'brothers' is now inextricably connected to Sam and Dean for me, it's like a Pavlovian reflex - I hear the word and they pop into my head. LOL

It's not that there haven't been good scenes/subplots in all episodes, but it all so, so lacking in depth. I was so terribly excited for the story after the first 4 episodes - which were marvellous in terms of realistic development - and then it all came to a screeching halt and for the life of me, I can't understand why! It's indeed similar to your frustration with Merlin, but the difference is, that Sam and Dean are THE STORY in SN, while Morgana just isn't the focus of the story, never will be, never was intended to.

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