And then finally Sam makes this offering and it is no longer about receiving something from Dean, but instead is about giving Yeah, that's kind of what I mean with 'Sam expects nothing back in return'. He doesn't say Dean needs to do this for him, like he did in '99 Problems'. He simply says 'I trust that you do the right thing' and there is no condition bound to his faith.
Damn, I wish they knew about that altered phone message! Me, too. :( You know, I am pretty sure that if Sam had actually seen Dean in the convent, the endresult would have been different. The way the scene is filmed, it suggests to me that Sam doesn't really believe Dean is there, that he might hallucinate hearing him. He looks so confused and hopeful, if he had been able to actually make eye contact with Dean, like Dean did with Sam here, things might have gone differently. Ruby knew what she was doing when she locked Dean out. :(
I get more and more angry about Castiel beating Dean up I know! I remember that you compared Castiel beating Dean up here with Sam beating up Dean, but I think that're two very different situations, because the fight between Sam and Dean is very personal, from both sides - with Sam snapping at being called a monster and Dean being completely disappointed/feeling rejected by Sam. That fight is reciprocated by Dean. This though is completely one-sided, there is nothing personal about Dean's surrender here that has anything to do with Castiel. Castiel is beating a man who is down and why? Because he can't handle the consequences of his own frikkin decisions. His "I did it all for you" bothers me just as much here as it did in 'Good God, Y'all', maybe even more, because it shows that in all the time they spent together since, Castiel has still not learned to take responsibility for his decision to rebel. He lays it all on Dean. It really annoys me.
It would be putting down the evil thing that had killed him and was wearing his skin - and would also mean that Dean himself was no longer around to have to see it happen. Hm, but Michael promised to leave Dean 'intact' after he used him as his vessel, so Dean would survive and would have to live with his decision. I mean, of course Michael could be lying, but he kept his promise to do it with John. I think it's the combination of his absolute belief that Sam will give in and being willing to kill him then that's kind of sad for me. In 'The End' Dean was so devastated at seeing Lucifer!Sam, it's tangible that it's killing him to see his brother gone. That devastation isn't visible anymore here, it's only resignation.
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
no subject
Date: 2010-04-26 09:07 am (UTC)Yeah, that's kind of what I mean with 'Sam expects nothing back in return'. He doesn't say Dean needs to do this for him, like he did in '99 Problems'. He simply says 'I trust that you do the right thing' and there is no condition bound to his faith.
Damn, I wish they knew about that altered phone message!
Me, too. :( You know, I am pretty sure that if Sam had actually seen Dean in the convent, the endresult would have been different. The way the scene is filmed, it suggests to me that Sam doesn't really believe Dean is there, that he might hallucinate hearing him. He looks so confused and hopeful, if he had been able to actually make eye contact with Dean, like Dean did with Sam here, things might have gone differently. Ruby knew what she was doing when she locked Dean out. :(
I get more and more angry about Castiel beating Dean up
I know! I remember that you compared Castiel beating Dean up here with Sam beating up Dean, but I think that're two very different situations, because the fight between Sam and Dean is very personal, from both sides - with Sam snapping at being called a monster and Dean being completely disappointed/feeling rejected by Sam. That fight is reciprocated by Dean. This though is completely one-sided, there is nothing personal about Dean's surrender here that has anything to do with Castiel. Castiel is beating a man who is down and why? Because he can't handle the consequences of his own frikkin decisions. His "I did it all for you" bothers me just as much here as it did in 'Good God, Y'all', maybe even more, because it shows that in all the time they spent together since, Castiel has still not learned to take responsibility for his decision to rebel. He lays it all on Dean. It really annoys me.
It would be putting down the evil thing that had killed him and was wearing his skin - and would also mean that Dean himself was no longer around to have to see it happen.
Hm, but Michael promised to leave Dean 'intact' after he used him as his vessel, so Dean would survive and would have to live with his decision. I mean, of course Michael could be lying, but he kept his promise to do it with John. I think it's the combination of his absolute belief that Sam will give in and being willing to kill him then that's kind of sad for me. In 'The End' Dean was so devastated at seeing Lucifer!Sam, it's tangible that it's killing him to see his brother gone. That devastation isn't visible anymore here, it's only resignation.