Hey, you're back online and writing! Good weekend?
I'm tired, so this will have to be really quick.
As so often it is Dean’s interaction with Mary though, that touched me the most. His eyes light up every time he talks to her, full of the sheer wonderment of 'this is my Mom', four years old again. She holds so much power over him, and doesn't even know it.
if Dean hadn’t mentioned Liddy Walsh to Samuel, Mary and her father would have never been at her house, trying to save her and the YED might have never noticed Mary and targeted her and her family. That by trying to save his family Dean inadvertently caused the very events that would lead to Mary’s deal is an utterly devastating thought. But on the other hand, Samuel was already hunting the YED (without knowing it), and Mary was a friend of Liddy. Chances are, even if Dean hadn't mentioned the Walshes, Mary could still have ended up on the YED's radar just through those facts alone.
I really can't decide if I think this was genuine time travel or not. I mean, if it was, then technically Dean should always have been a part of his own history and events should play out the same way. But John's journal said that Liddy Walsh was gutted in her home, which doesn't seem to have happened. So that's a change. But then again, the YED (in Samuel) was alone with her, so could have killed her without us knowing...
It is confusing! Paradoxes, huh.
It would also be interesting to know when exactly John did all that research. I think the list was put together in bits and pieces over the years. I mean, technically, there was nothing in the story of what happened to either the first guy, the one Samuel was investigating, or to Liddy that looked like the typical hallmark of the YED. They were just isolated incidents that John heard of over the years and wrote down in case they were relevant. Whether or not he ever knew their true significance we can't know, just that he considered them noteworthy.
I feel I should comment more, but my brain is collapsing!
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Date: 2008-10-05 07:26 pm (UTC)I'm tired, so this will have to be really quick.
As so often it is Dean’s interaction with Mary though, that touched me the most.
His eyes light up every time he talks to her, full of the sheer wonderment of 'this is my Mom', four years old again. She holds so much power over him, and doesn't even know it.
if Dean hadn’t mentioned Liddy Walsh to Samuel, Mary and her father would have never been at her house, trying to save her and the YED might have never noticed Mary and targeted her and her family. That by trying to save his family Dean inadvertently caused the very events that would lead to Mary’s deal is an utterly devastating thought.
But on the other hand, Samuel was already hunting the YED (without knowing it), and Mary was a friend of Liddy. Chances are, even if Dean hadn't mentioned the Walshes, Mary could still have ended up on the YED's radar just through those facts alone.
I really can't decide if I think this was genuine time travel or not. I mean, if it was, then technically Dean should always have been a part of his own history and events should play out the same way. But John's journal said that Liddy Walsh was gutted in her home, which doesn't seem to have happened. So that's a change. But then again, the YED (in Samuel) was alone with her, so could have killed her without us knowing...
It is confusing! Paradoxes, huh.
It would also be interesting to know when exactly John did all that research.
I think the list was put together in bits and pieces over the years. I mean, technically, there was nothing in the story of what happened to either the first guy, the one Samuel was investigating, or to Liddy that looked like the typical hallmark of the YED. They were just isolated incidents that John heard of over the years and wrote down in case they were relevant. Whether or not he ever knew their true significance we can't know, just that he considered them noteworthy.
I feel I should comment more, but my brain is collapsing!