It gives me more hope than I had last week that they intend to properly deal with the repercussions of the possession. I agree. So far, I am actually pleased with the way the writers handle the consequences of Dean's decision. I assume it will only get weirder/more intense as time goes on. I mean, this time Ezekiel took control to save Sam, but what will happen if he starts taking over whenever he feels like it? Dean will be living with someone who is Sam and yet isn't at the same time, and I don't think he will be able to endure that for long. I am actually looking forward to the exploration of this storyline, especially if it is dealt with in a similarly thoughtful fashion as in this episode.
I actually found this scene rather interesting too because if Ezekiel is not being genuine well then he certainly knows how to play on Dean. Uh-huh. The scene between Dean and Ezekiel was the most interesting scene in the episode for me, actually. The thing is, though, why would Ezekiel need to continue manipulating Dean? Once he got Dean to agree to the possession and swore him to secrecy, he no longer needed him. I mean, even if Dean were to tell Sam the truth, Ezekiel could just mind-wipe him again or render him unconscious, if he wanted to prevent being cast out. So, if he has a shady agenda of his own, what does he gain by keeping Dean on his good side through manipulation?
After all until now every angel Castiel included (especially in his earlier seasons) have been depicted as big-picture thinkers Good point! :)
(...) he has never made a 'mistake' as wide scale as Sam opening the cage. Hm, I think that is debatable. If Dean hadn't sold his soul for Sam's life, the apocalypse would never have happened. Sam could not have known that killing Lilith would set Lucifer free any more than Dean could have known that selling his soul would eventually break the first seal. Fandom tends to have more sympathy for Dean's mistake, but ultimately I don't think it was less grave than Sam's.
My impression from the episode was that the brothers knew of him through Bobby I rewatched that scene where Dean and Irv are on the phone, and you are absolutely right. My problem was that I had a hard time understanding Irv. He mumbled so badly, I could barely make out his words and so I missed his reference to Bobby. :)
I think if it came down to it they would be willing to kill those innocents if it was for 'the greater good'. Hm, I don't know. It is one thing to dismiss the host in the heat of a fight or for tactical reasons, but to systematically track possessed people down to murder them in cold blood would be a bit too much, even for hardened hunters like Sam and Dean.
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Date: 2013-10-23 10:12 am (UTC)I agree. So far, I am actually pleased with the way the writers handle the consequences of Dean's decision. I assume it will only get weirder/more intense as time goes on. I mean, this time Ezekiel took control to save Sam, but what will happen if he starts taking over whenever he feels like it? Dean will be living with someone who is Sam and yet isn't at the same time, and I don't think he will be able to endure that for long. I am actually looking forward to the exploration of this storyline, especially if it is dealt with in a similarly thoughtful fashion as in this episode.
I actually found this scene rather interesting too because if Ezekiel is not being genuine well then he certainly knows how to play on Dean.
Uh-huh. The scene between Dean and Ezekiel was the most interesting scene in the episode for me, actually. The thing is, though, why would Ezekiel need to continue manipulating Dean? Once he got Dean to agree to the possession and swore him to secrecy, he no longer needed him. I mean, even if Dean were to tell Sam the truth, Ezekiel could just mind-wipe him again or render him unconscious, if he wanted to prevent being cast out. So, if he has a shady agenda of his own, what does he gain by keeping Dean on his good side through manipulation?
After all until now every angel Castiel included (especially in his earlier seasons) have been depicted as big-picture thinkers
Good point! :)
(...) he has never made a 'mistake' as wide scale as Sam opening the cage.
Hm, I think that is debatable. If Dean hadn't sold his soul for Sam's life, the apocalypse would never have happened. Sam could not have known that killing Lilith would set Lucifer free any more than Dean could have known that selling his soul would eventually break the first seal. Fandom tends to have more sympathy for Dean's mistake, but ultimately I don't think it was less grave than Sam's.
My impression from the episode was that the brothers knew of him through Bobby
I rewatched that scene where Dean and Irv are on the phone, and you are absolutely right. My problem was that I had a hard time understanding Irv. He mumbled so badly, I could barely make out his words and so I missed his reference to Bobby. :)
I think if it came down to it they would be willing to kill those innocents if it was for 'the greater good'.
Hm, I don't know. It is one thing to dismiss the host in the heat of a fight or for tactical reasons, but to systematically track possessed people down to murder them in cold blood would be a bit too much, even for hardened hunters like Sam and Dean.