What I found interesting is that turn-around from the insults that were casually thrown in Jo, Ruby and Belas direction by female fans, especially focused on their sexuality and gender.
I hear ya! It's surely partly hypocrisy or at least a lack of proper self-reflection. For example, I read statments of posters saying that Dean objectifies women, but they don't reflect on their own objectifying stance as viewer towards Jensen/Dean by constantly referring to his attractive looks. There seems to be a lot of dissembling going on at times. I also do think that there are several fractions in fandom and that there's a hypersensitive feminist fraction that deliberately chooses to see SN under the magnifying glass of feminist theories and in the process forgets about the fact that theories can never work without a specific context and it's the context the debaters are ignoring here.
...admire who hold up the ‘Yes, I’m a bitch, live with it or get lost!’-tradition like Cordelia Chase Out of context: Dean's inadequate humour and sometimes very blunt honesty very often reminds me of Cordelia actually, who is one of my favourite female TV characters! *g*
Anyway, I sometimes wonder if there's also a cultural difference. I personally never use similar derogatory terms like 'bitch' or 'slut' in German. Swearing and insuling on that level just seems to be way less spread over here, or at least that's my personal experience. English seems to lend itself more easily to this kind of language and while I have easily adopted to words like 'bitch' or 'fuck' in english these are words I would usually never use in German. :)
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I hear ya! It's surely partly hypocrisy or at least a lack of proper self-reflection. For example, I read statments of posters saying that Dean objectifies women, but they don't reflect on their own objectifying stance as viewer towards Jensen/Dean by constantly referring to his attractive looks. There seems to be a lot of dissembling going on at times. I also do think that there are several fractions in fandom and that there's a hypersensitive feminist fraction that deliberately chooses to see SN under the magnifying glass of feminist theories and in the process forgets about the fact that theories can never work without a specific context and it's the context the debaters are ignoring here.
...admire who hold up the ‘Yes, I’m a bitch, live with it or get lost!’-tradition like Cordelia Chase Out of context: Dean's inadequate humour and sometimes very blunt honesty very often reminds me of Cordelia actually, who is one of my favourite female TV characters! *g*
Anyway, I sometimes wonder if there's also a cultural difference. I personally never use similar derogatory terms like 'bitch' or 'slut' in German. Swearing and insuling on that level just seems to be way less spread over here, or at least that's my personal experience. English seems to lend itself more easily to this kind of language and while I have easily adopted to words like 'bitch' or 'fuck' in english these are words I would usually never use in German. :)